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Lowinner111 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hello Again Kato ^^, I was also wondering if I could link this journal in my journal(im working on it now) about copyright and unjust admins? And of course I'd give you full credit for the journal and post another link to your DA account.
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LadyLirriea Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also id have to say paying to see mature stuff isnt a good idea cause blood is considered mature as is gore i dont mind seeing those. Id love a mature filter buttom that gives you options of what mature content you want filtered.
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LadyLirriea Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for the porn thing thats my mjor beef with this site. The blood and stuff i can handle and mainly have loosened my mature filter for that but now i also have to see 

1. tied up people ducktaped and breast
2. Breast
3. Some girl with everything showing
4. some girl bent over with her rump to the camra

I dont care about the art as long as its covering those part, there is tumbler for that though. Im am howver bothered by the number of reaaaaaal photos of those parts however. I did not come here for that, if they wanna post that they should go on one of those adult sites. .-. 

So thank you 
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Raineve Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Totally agree!
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LtCatnip Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
FURIOUSLY CLAPS
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Wandererofthestars Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
#2 is what's been pissing me off the most. its degrading, besides the fact that it's bullshit. Besides the fact that it's basically porn, it's all un-artistic photography of fake-ass bitches with huge tits and a 3 inch waist. really? is that what's considered beautiful these days?

fuck this generation. and the next, if that's what it's coming to. fine. i don't want to have anything to do with it, and DA's front page isn't helping.
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silverfennec Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2014   General Artist
psst I agree that porn shouldn't really be on here but do you really need to put down people's bodies/personal tastes to argue your point? There's absolutely no need to be like that.

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Wandererofthestars Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
i suppose that's not really what I meant.
 I know people have their preferences, and some people ARE just naturally "blessed".... but what makes me mad;
 is that it is so over-hyped and over-exaggerated these days, that anything outside of what is so often ( and unnecessarily exposed on DA) has become unacceptable.
Also, I have to admit, most of the "nude" photographs that are popping up more and more, seem less and less like ARTISTIC body photography, and more like people wanting extra appraisal for their body.
It gets annoying because the photos of naked chicks become "ultra-viewed", and get the front page, pushing out the classic/traditional/digital artists that deserve views probably more than the multiple "I want attention" shots that DA seems to suddenly love so much.
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Inferna-Firesword Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Hear hear!
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jengatower Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist
I like all of these, but how about the mods taking an actual effort to find and ban underage members? :^)

I have been underage and on this site before actually but that was a big mistake..
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BlazeFireWolf1 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
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DreamstartheWarrior Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
I completely agree
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Blueranyk Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
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DatableDog Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
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everythingerika Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Everything in this journal is well said and correct. More people need to speak up like this.
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JessiRenee Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my gosh, I would love it if they did ALL of these things! I would probably cry for a week out of sheer bliss! You've nailed every single problem this site really has, and I just hope they listen! Because if the serious artists (paying members) leave, how will they get paid? :)
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Himaru-kun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with everything that you think needs to be changed. With luck the admins will actually listen since they did ask it of you.

This may or may not be related to your topic in regards to the art theft and letting people know about stuff, but when submitting artwork I noticed something at the bottom in the publishing options. There are two Licences. The "Defult" and the "Creative Commons". Now I don't know if they both apply if you select the latter, but the creative commors disallows commerical use and modification of your artwork if you so choose. I couldn't find the part on DA where it explained what exactly they were, though shouldn't that be an easy to find bit of information? The disallowing modification of your artwork could apply to a good many art theft cases.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
every license you grant allows or disallows for commercial use and modification, depending on what terms you choose. creativecommons.org/
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Himaru-kun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So then what is the difference between the default DA license and the creative commons? Thanks for the link however it seems the website just went offline.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
the links works fine for me, but yeah, today the page loaded a bit slowly. maybe try it again later.

default license means that your work is protected. cc-license means that you give other persons permission to use your work.

in general, a cc-license is meant for people who want to share their work without further ado. if you upload your work normally, other people have to contact you and ask you, if they may use your work. you can grant them then a license (give them permission), if you want to, or deny them permission. if you don't want to share, or if you want to retain more control over your work, don't use a cc-license.

some people believe in error that a cc-license gives them more protection for their work, when in fact it gives them less.
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Himaru-kun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you very much! The website is up now, just took some time. Thanks again for the link.

So to make sure I am on the same page: the default license offers more protection than activating the cc-license and selecting the {No} option for allowing modification and commercial use?
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014
you're welcome.

exactly. no matter what cc-options you choose, you always allow people to take your work and upload it everywhere they like.

e.g.: creativecommons.org/licenses/b… this is the strictest of the various cc-licenses, and it still allows people to share your work.

whereas this creativecommons.org/licenses/b… is the freest of the cc-licenses. you only ask people to credit you, otherwise they are allowed to do with your work whatever they want.

for an overview of the various cc-licenses see here: creativecommons.org/licenses/?…
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LightAnimaux Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I totally agree with this. :L
I want the tagging of mature content to be better too (which I suppose is more of a thing the community itself needs to do but maybe enforce it better?) since it's really annoying to just be clicking through my messages and suddenly some cartoon boobs get shoved in my face. I feel like a lot of people just neglect to set the kind of "mature" tag you can still click away if you're under 18, even though it should be used in a number of cases I've stumbled across (especially from Pony groups that I follow), and it's annoying. I don't want my parents walking by the second something "bad" shows up that wasn't tagged properly.
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LanternsAndStars Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Porn stuff =100% agreed. Those women with massive tits and such piss me off. My friends think this site is a place for porn!
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JadeRavenwing Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Something tells me the admins enjoy wanking off to the porn here, and that's why they don't remove it.

Because hey, they probably want free porn too!

-rolls eyes-
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Streled Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2014   Traditional Artist
And... child porn.
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Scintillant-H Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014   General Artist
:clap: thank you for this.
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ZeroJigoku Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I have noticed in the most recent years more and more "porno" like images are allowed it seems. Before when I first came to this site 7 years ago it was never like that, even 5 years ago I dont remember seeing THIS much as it is now a days. I know I do contribute to drawing mature content, but I censor the hell out of that type of work, plus put on the mature filters @@;  Some of the stuff Ive seen around here on the front page even is distasteful in my opinion.  I dont want to state exact details as I know yes there are people that like that stuff *obviously considering how much is around on DA*. 

Sadly about making the rules more well known to help curb theft wont do much. There will always be people that will ignore them, or even those that do read them but will play dumb when caught.  Get this type of behavior when running any type of gaming community, its ridiculous but sadly it always happens. Some reason nowadays people find this type of behavior more to be okay rather than wrong.  
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CunningFox Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When did the report theft section turn into a full DMCA takedown notice? I only found that out yesterday when I had to report some art stolen. >.> it was kinda intimidating lol

Im just mad that non subscribers have to be subjected to TALKING ADS and pop ups that open in new windows. SO many free websites don't resort to that for their adds.
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CloverFlowers Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:/ I fee the same. If they're going to have ads on the site that play with the scroll over them, at least give us a chance to not want to hear it. I don't visit dA as often these days because of the ads that play automatically, really sucks.
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GhostInThePines Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree with a lot of this stuff, but the reporting for abuse/harassment may cause problems when it comes to the critique department... particularly in the literary circles. I know a lot of noobs get upset when people try to give them legit critique on their writing, because they think they're the greatest thing since Shakespeare and why should they give a crap about grammar and spelling and technique?

A lot of the "pro" writers on this site get blocked and reported by these kids on a daily basis just because these young writers don't like hearing the truth - that they need more practice writing and they need to edit what they write. It would suck to see long-time members of dA's literary community end up on some sort of probation just for being honest with a kid who can't handle honesty. It would actually hurt the chances of writers who want to get better at their craft getting constructive criticism when they ask for it.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
if a report for harassment is unsubstantiated it will be invalid and the ticket will be closed. if it's a minor issue, the person who filed the ticket will be advised to block the alleged offender. if it's serious harassment, the harassing party will be suspended or even banned.

that's how it is handled now (to the best of my knowledge). there is no reason why deviantart should change this.
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GlassBottleDemon Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's incorrect - I reported a user for wishing rape and cancer and sending death threats to various users, but the admins involved simply told me to block the user, even though I had already explained I had been blocked. Your statement is wrong, that's not how it's handled currently.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
i haven't seen the comments in question, so i can't really say anything about that case, but feel free to give me the links. my statement is certainly correct for the tickets i have filed and have knowledge about.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
some of these are nothing - no insults, no threats ...

some of these are simple insults, often provoked by others insulting the person first.

this leaves just this comment: comments.deviantart.com/4/2576…

it certainly is not nice, to wish someone to get raped or get cancer, but it is not a threat. if the person would have said "i will rape you" or "i will kill you", it would have been possibly another matter.

overall, these comments show an autistic person, who is made fun of by a bunch of other people.

hint: it would be more satisfying for you, if you would report only stuff which is clearly against da's rules (harassment, porn, etc.), and there certainly is more than enough. in this way you would avoid a lot of frustration.
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GlassBottleDemon Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
People have been banned or at least had their comments hidden by the admins previously. I see no reason this one should be any different.

And if you could stop assuming I'm a moron, that'd be nice - I have reported people for explicit pornography and bodily fluids before and no action of any type has been taken. I can prove it too.
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
i didn't assume that you are a moron. these are your words. i could also ask that you stop assuming that i assume that ... ad infinitum.

again, i don't know these cases about explicit pornography and bodily fluids, so i cannot say anything.
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GhostInThePines Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I think dA needs to do something about the purposeful trolls, spammers, and harassers who just go out and make a new account every time an old one gets blocked and/or shut down. However, I fail to see how my previous statement is really all that different from what you've stated.

Literature is more subjective than other art forms, which can make critiquing difficult at times. There are a lot of people on this site who write just to write. But there are also other writers trying to network in order to make a go at getting legitimately published. The noobs who don't know anything about the industry and who tend to cop an attitude with critique-givers are a lot like those art thief brats who refuse to take down stolen artwork and are repeat offenders. No one can tell them they're wrong, and they'll try their hardest to get their way. The problem with the writers, however, is that there is no stolen work, so that "minor issue" can end up exploding into a "major dispute." That honest critique turns into claims of harassment because so-and-so "doesn't like me and keeps saying mean things about my work!"
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hans-sachs Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014
trolls and spammers - sometimes da bans a particular ip, but in general ip-bans are rather useless. if a person really is determined, they can create a new account, no matter if their ip is banned or not.
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chibithepony Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student General Artist
agree twice i support you kato
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ZombieHun Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
My favorite parts are the pay-to-see mature content account and to have a cap on free accounts.

Honestly, money is the best filter here. How often I cruise this site and I see people state how they can't afford a membership (like the three month sub). If you make people buy an account, you'll hopefully mitigate the copious amount of bad users and up the general quality on a site. DA should make a sister site for such things so theyre not shutting everybody out on THIS site.
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BluePawProductions Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014   General Artist
#2 is my personal pet peeve and what mainly was the reason I didn't come to DA sooner.  I would ask someone about DA and the first response they gave me about 90% of the time was, "Oh, look out! There's a lot of mature stuff on there."  (either that or they heard that there was)  It's kinda' a bad rep. >.>
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skeIetons Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do agree with the mature content popping up on the front page, as well as everywhere. Especially because absolutely none of it is tagged with a filter. I myself like you aren't bothered by it, for I've done some studying of the human body too, and I don't see what's wrong with the female breasts being exposed, anyway.

What really does bother me about that is that, I can't figure out whether or not it would count as art. Technically it is photography I guess, and again, it never has a mature filter. I could go out there and complain it needs a filter, and all I would get back,  if anything, is "Technically she's not nude, she's wearing a teddy bear." Yes, she is nude, no, I don't think that bear is clothing. Bluhh.

Along with everything else, I can say I agree with you. Like you've experienced, or seen, some of the admins truly are very very rude and obnoxious and it angers me that I can't seem to make a forum post or even help tickets sometimes without getting a crabby admin who pushes me off and moves on to the next ticket.

Honestly, they're not paying them for sitting around (I hope!).
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Chefia-64 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sim... Concordo plenamente com o que diz aí... Por eu usar o DA apenas para "guardar" meus desenhos, nunca sofri roubo ou nada, não fui xingada ou ofendida, mas sei que isso ocorre, e sei que isso deve ser tratado com mais cuidado... Não podem fazer uma interface bonita e lagar pras pessoas se virarem por lá, não é?

Só espero que isso tudo seja resolvido... Eu não quero que você vá para outro lugar... (você sabe disso xD). Eu sou sua fã, praticamente, e não gostaria de ver você e outros tristes com essas situação... Boa sorte... ^^ Hug 
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Flashpelt1 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student General Artist
I agree with everything you've said here .-. like Max said, you should be made an admin!
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Miscomunication Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Here here.
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MaxPaineVolumn Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
You should be an admin. Seriously.
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Th3Frgt10Warrior Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with all the journal.

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