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Before reading on please bear in mind that this journal is not written in anger. It's where I stand on these particular issues. 
Please, try to have an open mind here and respect this journal as a statement, not a personal assault on someone/anyone. 
Also please refrain from posting comments about how stupid, immature, rude, selfish, crazy, dramatic this kind of journal is. 


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Please stop stealing my characters, stop tracing my artwork, and stop copying my ideas and pawning them off as your own.



I realize I probably sound like an asshole but honestly I don't know how else to put it other than just flat out 'stop it'. I've tried to be nice and sugar coat it but that doesn't seem to work. Not ever watermarks and bold lettering do. But at least this way I can say I did say something about and if people don't listen I can point them here as proof. 
I also realize I probably sound like a typical 'stahp it gais' kind of artist but I don't really care. My artwork is something I enjoy and I love and I'm sorry if I'm not too fond of seeing duplicates or copies all over the place. I know it'll happen regardless of what I say but again, at least addressed the issue.




Now with that said, I'm all for being inspired by someone or asking them if you can have a take off their ideas and stuff but when you take something of theirs and just flat out copy it without any credit at all... that's just plain bullspit. 

Sorry, I don't mind if people enjoy my work but copying it and tracing it does not show appreciation at all, especially if you're claiming the work as your own and not even giving credit to where you copied from. 
More so if you're doing it on the same site you found the image you copied from. 

Come on guys, knock it off. 

Wouldn't you rather be known for YOUR ideas than those of another?

My artwork is not a learning tool. 
You'll only copying and duplicate my work's mistakes, flaws, and faults. 
Use photos or videos, not my artwork. 



If you love someone's artwork so much then it be THEIR artwork, not your personal colouring/tracing book. 
Loving someone's artwork doesn't entitle you to trace or copy things they do that you like. 
'Homage' or 'Fan art' isn't tracing someone's artwork and characters... Sorry, but it's not. 


My artwork is NOT line art and it's NOT a colouring book. 
Please stop treating it as such. 
Acid's design is not an open species -- Self's design is not an open species -- Morbius's design is not an open species. 
While I can't claim small individual parts of their design I can claim their designs as a whole. 

I have a huge watermark on my images for a reason, to tell you it's not for free use to be copied/traced/used for anything without my consent.

Please, stop it. 
I don't want to have to remove my personal characters form dA to spare them from being cloned or traced. 
Yes, I know it's the internet and everything is liable to be lifted at some point or another but for crap-sake... it's kind of sad when people on dA steal and post things back on dA... as if no one will notice... :no: 

Poses I'm not worried about. You want to draw your character standing in a pose similar or the same as one I did? Fine, but don't flat out trace the image or copy it as closed as possible to make it look the same. 
You're not flattering me by taking me stuff. 

Sorry to put up this rant but I post in big bold letters on my page my terms about artwork usage and some how people don't get it or they just don't care to read it. 
Then they get offended or mad when I ask them to take down the work they've stolen/traced/copied from me. 
I post that information for a reason, so people know what my terms are on outside usage of my artwork

Come on now, I know people can't be that darn blind that they don't notice the big bold lettering in their face saying 'Don't use my artwork for anything'
More so people who are members of dA... 
Anyone whose been on this site longer than a few months should know the terms and such of art theft and what it is/means. 
Don't play dumb about it. 
We all learn stealing is wrong from a young age so don't act like you didn't know taking something that isn't yours without permission is wrong. 
You're not an idiot so don't play that card. 

Just stop, ok? 
It's all I ask. 
You don't want people to steal from you so don't do it to them and expect it to be ok just because it's artwork. 
It's still my property and it has my part on it (a big one at that) that says UNAUTHORIZED USAGE PROHIBITED, meaning don't use this image for anything without my direct permission to do so. 

Should you choose to ignore that term/condition then don't become a brat when I confront you on your violation of my terms and conditions. 
It is how it is. 




Now, I'm not mad. Upset a bit and somewhat peeved/annoyed but not bang up bawwing in the fetal position. 
I just found several instances of people tracing my work (not copying poses...full out tracing) in the last week and I had to say something because even though I have it written in several places people STILL don't see it. 
So here you go. 

Don't do it. Stop doing it. Draw your own artwork.

The end.  

PS: I am well aware this won't stop everyone from 'stealing' my crap but if I at least try then I can feel I did something other than just let it go. 
Sorry, but I can't. 
Admiration and posting it on a site to show people or show appreciation is fine but taking my work and pawning it off as your own and claiming it, sorry I won't stand for that.
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CreepyLeader Featured By Owner May 17, 2015
I agree totally! OvO Stealing OC's and art is just... OʌO.
One of the only reasons that I don't usually watermark my art is because I'm usually drawing something for someone, and I think they'd notice if someone stole it and tried to say they drew it, while giving the drawing to them, LoL.
Plus, Dev doesn't watermark my stuff, for some odd reason... OvO
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I let someone on X-Box live (I got into digital art using the Black Ops 2 emblem editor... now I'm mostly moving my stuff here and using Manga Studio) use one of my things as a base once when he promised to make it look different than mine and use his own skills. All he did was make it red (and the eyes red which made it look high)! I was so pissed. I totally understand why you are okay with people using your poses as like outlines, I feel the same way, but when people try to test boundaries like that it gets annoying. 
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nicoflare Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I know the feeling there's an annoying troll that he stole my character top of that he has the fucking guts trying to impersonate and deviantart hasn't done a single thing about it he keeps calling me a fake and he says I stole his account worst of all his spelling and art is terrible
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Deviantart usually does something, but it takes like 2 months. I reported someone in early August for putting up links to the Klu Klux Klan's website on his profile and Deviantart took two months to do anything about it lol. He will probably be banned in like November.
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nicoflare Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Wow O.O
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
By "he" I meant the troll, not the KKK racist dude.. he got banned already
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AkelahNaih Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
No apologies needed. Everyone should have a journal like this explaining where they stand with their artwork. :) Especially when they are so well known. I've never had my artwork ripped off, as far as i know, but I can still empathize and imagine it would really be upsetting and frustrating. Hope you see a reduction in theft soon :)
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OctaviaSketch Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:iconclapplz: You don't have to stand for it, it's rediculous.
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WaffleDUH Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
:iconclapplz: I'm VERY proud to say that I've never stolen any work from anybody, I'm inspired by people like you, Griffsnuff ect, with cartoon-ish styles, and sometimes I'll be like... "Oh my glob, that little part there looks so fine o,.o" then practice that tiny part over and over again, until it's totally different :I That's how I make my own style, I don't get how people can flat out steal art though... :C
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Kitsooki Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013   Digital Artist
Unfortunately, this is the problem with posting any kind of artwork online. If you are going to use Deviantart, you are also allowing your artwork to be put at risk. I really don't like this sight for that reason, but I could care less. It's just something that's bound to happen sooner or later.
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Deviantart is better than most other website for posting art. If someone steals your stuff and reposts it they do something about it (albeit in two months when they finally get to your violation report); the same is not true for sites like iFunny and Tumblr. 
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ArtThistle Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Student Digital Artist
The thing is, that should not be ok. We should not be "tolerant" as you appear to be. Anyone that considers themself an artist should know that it's not ok. Art is not a $20 bill found on the sidewalk. You wouldn't walk into an art gallery, sit down, and start replicating a Picasso, would you? This is no different.
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Kitsooki Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013   Digital Artist
The internet is hard to deal with. There's nothing anyone can do about artwork that is stolen on the internet. People are at their own risk with knowing what could happen, but they do it anyway.
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Xylothor Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
SO _____ ANNOYING :stare:
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AoN64 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
Didn't you already post a journal about this?
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
Yeah, last year at some point
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Xeshaire Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I have many people rip off my fursona from colors to even shape. Even the report stuff is getting out of hand, they reply after 5 months if I'm even lucky. Out of the 15 stolen designs only one was dealth with through the report, idk what happened to the others. -_-

Even writing a lot of copyright things or journals, it won't stop the dumb kids from stealing. They just want all things for themselves and not share any bit of it. :I
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RiverEmber Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I remember, a couple of years ago, I copied an artist's style. Didn't post anywhere, but I just wanted to get a feel of art.
Now I have developed my own style.
Good job posting this journal. I know that if I stole anything, seeing this would make me hesitate and think; although it is long and I skipped to all the important points in it.
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Kaylimepie Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
O get some people are inspired by a design but the amount of people that get attention from flat out copying somone else is irritating. Especially when that person has more attention than somone whose art is real.
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Crystal-The-Vixen Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
They won't stop, trust me.
Just say it once on your profile.
Saying it over & over will just stress you out.
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Rendelline Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Unfortunately, no matter how loud artists would scream about it, those people won't stop that... Most of all, I can't really understand their reasons - the deception would be revealed sooner or later, so why would they do that?

The only thing that makes me glad of this situation is that in general mostly all of tracers aren't elder than 14-16 years old. Maybe in future they would be more clever... Well, at least I am talking about Internet tracers. I have seen a LOT of tracing in real life like calendars, journals, notebooks etc with many popular artists who doesn't even know that their artwork is used for commercial purposes, not only 'just tracing'... This is much more frightening and annoying thing. >__<
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Healehwolf Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Excuse me, but what are your opinions on references?
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Depends on the referencing and the terms and conditions of the person whose work/image you are referencing.
It's better to reference photos and such over other people's artwork. Of course it's even better to turn to stock images and free use images for references as well.
Sorry if this doesn't answer the question you asked.
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Healehwolf Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm, OK. Thanks.
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Alora18 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well good to put it out there so people will know that u know that there doing it, very nice I love your artwork and I don't think anyone should steel it^^it is (c) to u! It even says that under your name on every Deviation people! WAKE UP!!!!(not u honey, those mean people)
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Konveekou Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student General Artist

I am sorry to say, but even if you write billions of journals like these, people won't stop. However, you did nice for making things clear from your own position. You're very known around dA, so I guess people will recognise your style and will report the thieves c: when I see someone stealing and even if you tell them this is no good, if I get no response, then I report them and it is done. People who support you will do that for you, as you would do the same for people you support, right?


Also, one last thing.. I don't think ideas can be copyrighted.. as far as I know, Copyright does not protect ideas. It protects the expression of ideas or the ways in which an idea is materially placed or expressed in the work. :) If that's what you mean then I guess I missunderstood haha sorry ; v ; 


Peace~

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Defying-T Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
You don't have to keep apologizing. Don't apologize. You're making a fair enough point. People should not be copying your artwork without permission. You tell them that, aggressively and firmly, without apology.
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8Life0is0a0game8 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1.) I'm proud to say I have NEVER stolen artwork from anybody. I've been proud to make my own, even if it's not the best.
2.) I'm hoping nobody will steal the characters I make if I ever get popular so bad that I make OC's and put them in a free to use folder.
3.) Art thieves are losers/idiots. If you're an art thief, grow up.
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Soffiah Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah I think that if thefts didn't care about if you say it's not allowed, anyway, if I were you I'd send this to whomever traced/stealed your art: [link] (it's the example of a copyright infringment letter, it could work.. I guess)
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xINDUSTR1AL-SURG3RYx Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
I wish journals could be given Daily Deviations because this deserves one.

The only encounters I've ever had with art thieft is due to ignorant people who just do it to get publicity, which is the kind of art thieft that sickens me the most. Any other time it's just lineart that isn't credited, usually. Hopefully I don't have to deal with it anymore, it's incredibly frusterating and downright puts anyone who has to deal with it in a bad mood.

It just sucks that 90% of the time art thieft just goes by unsolved and there's nothing much anyone can do about it. I've even reported devations for VISIBLE art thieft and they still haven't been taken down nor has the account in question been banned.
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
With me getting better, I kind of worry about it. That's why I'm aggressive when it comes to preaching about my copyrights. I draw for myself, not for them to destroy.
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Yeah (you are improving fast, gahdamn gurl, jeeze) I get what you mean.
It's one thing to defend your work and your terms but it's another to like blow up every time something happens.
I was hoping people WOULDN'T see this journal as one of 'those' kinds of journals but I guess with something of a stark black reputation of 'everything is a rant' all over my forehead it's hard for people not to see it.

I'll keep my eyes out for your work though. I haven't see anything but I'm not really a huge part of the TLK fandom lol
Still, I'll keep my eyes open :I
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KashimusPrime Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pffrt I can't help myself :iconimhappyplz:

But hey, I don't care if people rant all the time. Ranting is perfectly healthy and it makes you feel better about some things.

So far I haven't seen my work being used which is good. I pray that never happens.
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Kaleoscope Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Yeesh.

Some people-just ugh

I'm terribly sorry you're having this problem. Even after you watermarked everything etc.
I don't think this journal will do anything though, other than alert the non-thieves of your predicament (not a bad thing)
I'm afraid though that I feel this won't ever go away completely as long as you decide to stay online.
You're an amazing artist with completely staggering concepts and sweet characters.
And people want all those things. Unfortunately they'll take them no matter the price as long as they think it will get them recognition/fame etc.
I'm terribly sorry you have to deal with things like this still, I feel atleast some people should have a little respect for things like 'Self'.

But *shrug* I fear that won't happen. :( Good luck trying to get down whatever's up right now. :hug:
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Yes, I know it won't stop it completely but in the end that wasn't the whole reason for this. It's been happening a lot lately (not just to me but others as well) and so I figured it was about time to say something about it out in the open so at least it's there for future reference when I need it to be posted as proof of my standings on the matter.
Obviously a lot of people are taking this journal the wrong way and thinking I'm like foaming at the mouth or something but I'm calm as can be. Just putting it out there and making it known if anything.

A lot of people's respect these days goes about as far as is convenient for them, not for others. Unfortunately this is the age of entitlement, if you want it you can get it and you don't have to do much to get it.
I understand it won't stop but again, at least it's out there on how I feel on the matter. At least with my own artwork.
I'd sooner see other people's OWN ideas than their take or copy of mine... I know what mine look like, I don't know what's in their brain until I see it, y'know?

It'll be fine. I'm not mad or anything, not even upset anymore really... just concerned if anything. I think at any rate a journal like this will always be taken as something ranty or venty when in reality it's just someone stating their view.
dA is eternally cursed with the 'so what crowd' when it comes to issues like this it seems, as mean or rude as that sounds...
It'll be alright. Not the end of the world, just an annoying trend.
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Kaleoscope Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Aha I get that, if my comment came off that way I'm sorry it did. Sometimes it helps to do something you know will be ineffective because you at least DID SOMETHING. And it's well you made it known. ^^

Pretty much sadly. xC

Precisely, if people would just draw their own ideas at their own skill level they would get a lot more positive recognition than if they took someone elses. Even using a small part of a concept that really inspired you is fine-as long as you give credit for that bit and make everything else TRULY your own. Like Q8295-Something about a concept of yours really inspired me and I used it in a concept that I had before and credited it in the artist's comments. And after I was done with it it looked nothing like the inspiring piece.
I'm more interested in seeing an artist's true brain work-no matter the lack of skill-than a knockoff or trace executed with the utmost skill.


Aha I got that-and again of my comment sound condescending or insulting I'm terribly sorry-that's not how I meant it at all. And aren't we all concerned? It may-it depends on the mindset of the reader and the eloquence with which the journal was put. I try my best to make anything I post worded in such a way that my intent can't possibly be mistaken.

I have encountered that so much >.< and it is-but so is everywhere publicly available on the internet.
Ahh, but I'm afraid this isn't a trend. Trends pass.
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NoxKey Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Well i hope all those damn stealers can at least see how much time and effort you took to write this and hopefully they will know they aren't dealing with a dumb little kitty. You go NinjaKato! You are Lucky to be known enough to have your watchers report to you the stealers.

Good luck for the future ^^
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vikatt Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I don't know what's so hard to understand about "Do not use this" "This is not for free use" "Do not trace, copy, steal, etc.". I really don't understand why that's so hard.
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
It's not so much 'not understanding' as it is ignoring it and pretending it doesn't mean anything because 'this is the internet'. Copyrights don't mean much on here it seems. I know that of course, but at least in some sense I can say I put my :twocents: out there on how I feel on the issue.
It sounds a bit 'baww' worthy but hey, how else do you confront the subject at hand without just ignoring it?
Anyway, yeah... it's not the 'I don't understand' it's the 'I don't care' mentality really...
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vikatt Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I guess that's true, now that I think of it. As someone who doesn't like breaking rules or being mean, I don't really understand how people can troll and not feel guilty about it, and how people can steal such nice art that someone has put all this effort into, without even thinking twice about it! I mean, it kind of pisses me off! Especially little kids or teenagers. Although I'm only 14, I've never done anything like that as far as I can remember. It makes me upset.. :/
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Trolls (if they're good at what they do) are usually looking either for entertainment or a resulting end to some kind of situation.
I myself never got the whole thrill or appeal of being a troll but I guess to people who don't do it you can't really ever know why it happens.
Same with art theft.
The main thing I can't see is the whole 'I didn't know any better' aspect of it. How do you not know stealing is wrong? How do you not see the 'Do not use this artwork for anything' in front of your eyes?
I can understand the whole 'I didn't know the original source for the image' argument as some people are too lazy to look it up but then again there's so many ways you can find out the original artists these days. It's hard to keep your ignorance when there's so many ways to root it out.
I'd sooner want to sound smart, like I know what I'm doing, than to sound like a idiot in the end because I was too lazy.

Still, it is how it is.
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vikatt Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Ah, that's what I meant about trolls. I just don't really get entertainment from seeing people get upset or angry. And that's true, there's not really many ways to act innocent and lie that you 'didn't know you could use it.' But yet they still do it.. yes, it is a shame :/
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Mayasacha Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I don't even know how to prevent these problems myself.. except to report the "Theft" in question when this happen. But, even like this... :/

Internet is a terrible place for these kind of stuffs, you'll always have to face this. Sometime, people don't care about copyrights and watermarks, they steal what they want, no matter what. It's really sad and frustrating. :I

 

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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
When someone steals a full picture, fine, that's reportable. It's the smaller thefts like tracing, copying, and such that are the bothersome ones.
More so when the person whose doing it gets upset when you ask them to either stop of credit you. Or they act completely ignorant about it, like 'I didn't know taking this was wrong'.
:|

You can't stop it full out without removing yourself from the equation, and even then what's on the internet is on there forever. I don't mind the sharing and stuff but it's the concept of stealing something and claiming it as your own that is annoying.
It's like dude, you can say 'I referenced from' and not look any less like an artist. If anything at least you'll be respected for admitting you didn't do it all on your own. Y'know?
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Mayasacha Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

Aaaah well, nothing is ever going to scare people enough to make them stop to do "bad" things.
It's like movie/music pirating. If the law catch you doing that, you will have a salty penalty to deal with after.. But people still do it anyway and they don't care about the consequences.. Until that this "explode" in their face.
This happen in every domain, not only in art, sadly...

I don't know why people steal arts though, except maybe to have some attention, e.t.c.. But still, they will be reported if they are discovered and they will get a bad reputation and blahblah, so this goes nowhere. :/
It's a strange mentality. Maybe jealousy? Or some "lust" of talent? Or maybe just for the fun of it?

I dunno..

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lnferni Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Loving someone's artwork doesn't entitle you to trace or copy things they do that you like. "

thank. I hate when people do thiS.
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Shadzerios Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That really pisses me off too! I was really good in the high school in drawing and some tried to claim them as their own when the pictures were on the corridor wall to be shown. It's really ungrateful to trace/copy/steal other works when they know that it's not their own. D:<
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fasabutt Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
People are ignorant. Period. I'm not a very good digital artist yet, but I'm sure this happens to everyone eventually.
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NadiavanderDonk Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
sorry to say this, but this journal is kinda useless. Only people who are going to read and react to this is the people who NEVER STEAL. This journal will not stop thieves. no matter how many journals,disclaimers, bold texts, anti-theft stamps you put on your front page. You can't tell a car-thief to - just stop - stealing cars. :/ Your only protection is the law. So use the report button , confront the thief or get a lawyer.

You are not the only one out there who's art gets stolen.
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NinjaKato Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013
Regardless, at some point at least I said something. I wasn't looking for instant change or even a sudden stop. That will likely never happen. What I was looking to achieve by this was having some record of my terms and condition somewhere so I can have it handy when I need it. So there's proof visually that I did say my work is not to be used for anything without my permission.
I know darn well it won't stop everyone from stealing, to think that would be stupid. I did a journal like this a couple years ago and it still happens. Not as often as it used to but it still does.
The last journal is gone so I made a new one. It is how it is.


Yes, I know that. I never said I was...
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