You do not have to read on any further from this point and please just don't if all you're going to do is make a stink about having read it in a comment. If you read it and regret it, that's your problem. I did say you didn't have to. This won't really be anything bad but if reading things that are negative triggers you to be angry/upset then don't. I mean it, don't.
------ I should have just not said anything. Sorry. I'm not apologizing for saying anything but rather for the fact I often forget that 'people on the internet don't care'. -- Funny thing that, almost seems a bit backward compared to what I've actually read and seen. Then again, who knows, maybe I'm reading it wrong? </sarcasm>
From now on if you want to read anything I write, go to Tumblr. No one pays attention there, so I'll post there or on a private blog where no one can read it. If you have me on Skype we'll talk there.
I'm not leaving but seriously, as great as the support has been from my friends there are just some people who say stuff that just does no help at all other than to make you feel worse. Mosquitoes are tiny bugs but when they bite it hurts like heck and then itches for quite a while.
Just a little word of advice: When someone is clearly upset or in a bad state of mind, they don't need people telling them the bitch a lot or need to stop bitching. That doesn't help like, at all. You might think you're clever or something but in reality it just makes you look like an insensitive prat. This right here is not bitching. There is a difference between letting off steam and bitching. One serves a purpose of making people feel bad, the other is meant to make you feel better by just generally letting out negative thoughts. Learn the difference, please? Venting is a healthy outlet because it helps to get thoughts out and let them go. When you come along and proceed to get upset about someone venting and tell them to stop you're essentially telling them to stop bothering you with their stupid feelings. You're not obligated in any form or fashion to give a crap, you know? It's great that people did/do care, which was who I was talking too, but if you don't care; if it genuinely just twists your giblets that someone is upset then move on. There's literally no merit in a comment saying 'I never really comment on your work but --' when the only time you will comment is when it's on something negative.
I've used this analogy before but I'd liken it to walking into a shoe store, announcing that you're putting on a pair of shoes you hate, and walking around the store yelling and screaming about how much you hate those shoes. It makes no sense. People vent and people get unhappy and sometimes they just want to let it out. I wrote those journals late at night when thoughts were mulling around in my head, alright? I figured since I'd gotten some decent advice before and made some friends on here I'd post it here and see what people had to say. It was really nice to read people being supportive and it helped calm me down a bit. However, those '1 out of 100' comments proceeding to tell me to stop bitching and saying 'you bitch a lot' -- No, I really don't. I don't get on here and complain about how I can't get an xBox or how my boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with me.
Again, this isn't bitching. This is talking and speaking my mind on something, learn the difference. If you can't tell the difference then don't say anything. It's really that simple. I got a lot of "Do what makes YOU happy/feel better" comments which I find both comforting and ironic because venting helps me feel better but then it also apparently makes other people feel angry.
Let me just repost this in case it wasn't clear: You do not by any means have to read anything I write. There's no obligatory contract that says that as a watcher of mine you have to read it. I label things now so you don't have to read it if you don't want to. I understand people don't like reading negative things. A journal to me is a place to post thoughts and feelings and since dA is the only place I've been on for a long time I post stuff here because it's the place I usually feel more comfortable posting things. Not to much lately. Then again I haven't been doing much of anything here lately.
For the most part while those snarky comments are annoying I think people get the wrong impression that they like ruin my life or something. They bug me because they're just unnecessary and perfectly timed. People who 'bitch' about other people 'bitching' make no sense to me. Even more when they tell you how they don't usually comment and then only take the time to comment on something negative. It's like... 'Okay, and that is supposed to make you sound less like a jerk?' If you don't like my 'bitching' then leave? Stop watching me or just my journals? What do you want me to say or do, stop doing what helps me cope just so you don't have to read it? Come on now... Let's not be that selfish, hmm?
Once again, this isn't bitching. You want bitching then go to 'fml' forums or something where people complain about not having the latest game console, or how much they hate school. Even then, what the heck is wrong with a bit of bitching? We all do it. "Yeah, but we don't do it for the whole world to see, like you" -- are you entirely sure about that? I really don't owe you guys an explanation on this but since I don't really like leaving lose ends untied I'm giving you one. Not because I feel I have to but because I want to.
People seem to be under this impression that every negative thing that happens just bowls me over and ruins my life. It doesn't, okay? There's a lot of annoying shit that happens to me that doesn't even get mentioned or even talked about to anyone because it's just not that important. However, when you're having a bad day everything and anything little can rustle your jimmies. When that happens you get angry and you let it out. Lately I just go for a walk or go talk to someone but since it was late at night and I don't live in the best neighborhood to be out at 2am in the morning mucking about, I posted my thoughts here. My intention was to delete it soon after but then I started to get some decent advice. Then of course... How and why people seem to like leak in from the cracks to comment only on the negative things I post is beyond me. I think they feed more on the negativity than I ever do.
Anyway, no... I'm not foaming at the mouth or all freaking out because someone said something mean and hateful. Fuck that noise... You want to hate me, get in line. It really doesn't bother me. Overlooking the fact that people's snarking and rudeness only a SMALL PART of why I'm feeling rotten. Seriously, the only reason why I mentioned it as an afterthought was because it was on my mind at the time. Otherwise for the most part it's not that big an issue. Just seems like it turns into one if I ever do say anything. Like we'll completely ignore the main subject and premise of the journal as a whole and focus on that one issue. Albeit I'm irritated but I'm not like laying her crying like an infant over this crap. I get mad, it happens. We all do... and we all have our outlets. If mine bothers you that much then leave and focus on something that does the opposite.
As I said, from now on I'll be posting that stuff to Tumblr, where no one pays attention anyway. It seems you can't say much of anything here without it being manipulated, twisted, and warped so other people have something to get angry about. 'Bitching' about someone 'bitching' is kind of redundant, just saying. More so when you have the power to just walk away/close the window. Let people bitch if they want to. Unless it's personally directed at you then don't take it personally. Sometimes you just have to let it out and let it go. In the meantime, thanks for the help from those who offered it. I did mean a lot and I did read it all.
FYI: I never said I was leaving dA. People just assumed that because I said I wasn't going to be drawing anymore. I'm not 'coming back' or anything at all... I never left, haha!
PS: Please stop assuming that just because I vent about negative things that I'm like over the edge or something. It's really just venting, nothing more. It's not directed at anyone personally, alright? It's just venting, blowing off steam, getting thoughts out, and putting thoughts in to something visual that I can read so I can gather my thoughts.
The last two journals are gone, deleted because despite how helpful and kind some of you were, they were just vents/releasing feelings. They didn't need to stay up as they were intended to basically be written down and then removed once I sorted out the feelings that induced them. So those are gone which is fine, haha!
I'm so sorry people are being brats -- sometimes one negative comment completely offshoots like ten positive ones, and when you get a bunch of them all at once, I know it's really hard. But we're here for you! Even those of us (like me) who kind of watch in the shadows (I'm always afraid of annoying people that I have huge art-crushes on, you being one of them) we're here for you. Sorry things have been rough with you, I hope everything gets better!! You have every right to vent on your own deviantART page and if people are gonna hate, then well...screw them!
Hey! I just wanted to say - I'm gonna keep it short though - that you shouldn't care about all those negative comments, sometimes people seem to feel the need to be an ass. :c It's your decision whether you want to stop posting art - But I am sure that one cannot ever stop making art, breaks are a neccessity though and i think you made the right choice in calling everything off. Art is meant to be something enjoyable! I love your art, and I will keep loving it even if you stop posting the things you may make. c: Sometimes you just have to get away from stuff. So really I don't think there is any [mature] person who does not understand your decision!
I admire you for being able to be so open and talk about so many things in a journal everyone can see. I hope lots of luck and inspiration goes your way - whether for art or not.
Stay strong and just ignore those rude watchers that don't get the concept of politeness.
I think so many people are making rude comment is because when people annonce publicly that they are going to leave (even if it's not what you said but you "announced" quitting something) , it's mostly fake or to attract attention. So people get rude and insulting (not that I find it justified).
Personnaly, I've had friends on facebook who made public announcement of leaving FB, and then came back almost in less than a week. Some did that twice. So I don't believe them anymore. However, I know some people left, but never mentionned doing so, they just dissapeared.
Not enjoying drawing anymore is something that happens, and it's in your right to choose not to, but announcing it is what triggers the "haters" and make them accuse you of "dArama". Because way too much people are actually craving for attention by doing so, and that's how public announcement are seen nowadays on the internet.
Also sorry for my weird english, it's not my native language :/
I like to watch people silently, mostly because I have low self-esteem, but I've watched you since I joined dA. I've had a few different accounts and I always made sure to watch you. Anyway, through all of that I've loved you and your work and I've cried after reading some of your journals because of all of the crap you go through...it sickens me that after all of that people still insist on being assholes to you. I really do hope that these jerks stop and realise what they're doing...it may not bother you much, but it's still not right. Vent as much as you need; the watchers who really care about you will always be here for you.
Vent. If people don't wanna hear what you wanna say they can just leave themselves. Lol. They have the right to read or not read anything they want. But if they wanna get nasty you have a right to block em.
this is actually a little helpful to me also I guess. I do like supporting people who are mad/upset, but I always felt sorta on the annoyed side when people vented cause I feel no need to vent myself. (I just think it's a burden for the people who read it) but now i sorta understand I guess why people do it...I hope your head clears up a bit. and remember that even if there are a few bad apples in the tree, there are a whole hell of a lot more nice, red ones~ ;3
I actually feel quite bad that people on here have treated you so harshly that you have to explain things as blatantly and black and white as possible for them. There are just heaps of people out there who seem to be cynical about every little thing that they come across, it really is beyond me... and dA isn't exactly the best place to get away from it, either. I find reading your journals kind of therapeutic in a way (sorry if that sounds weird! XD), if I'm saying anything, it's that your journals bring out the best of you in ways, especially your venting journals. You speak of your issues and events in your life in a way that I can relate to. And, in no way whatsoever do I feel you're only posting these types of journals to gain affection/sympathy/attention, as some may accuse you of - I can totally relate with where you're coming from - sometimes you need to let out some steam, and I'm no stranger to taking things personally but the backlash you've received from people getting butt-hurt is just... well... bullsh*it (for lack of a better word). Take your time, do what you need to do to get in a better headspace... no matter how long that may take. I completely understand that you've made the choice to stay on DeviantArt, but if a break is what you need, then by all means do what's best for yourself before you go worrying about others. It's quite sad that you've also lost your passion for art due to much of the same problems, too. You've made it clear to us that your past and your life now is nowhere near 'great', so to see all those bitchy comments kinda pisses me off too!
I hope you do sometime get back into the swing of things, but for now - I've got your back! (quite distantly, but you get what I mean XD)
If you're going to leave devianART, then leave. This is not the first time you have passive-agressivly threatened in this way, and it's becoming rapidly apparent that you're trying to deliever an ultimatum to garner attention and pity from your fanbase. If you cannot handle the negative connotations that come from being on a site such as this, then you should not post anything, period.
She never said she couldn't handle the negative comments. Obviously they're going to get under her skin, negative comments get under anyone's skin. She posts these vents to get things off of her chest. She doesn't want pity, she doesn't want attention, she only wants to vent. It's a healthy way of getting her negative emotions out. You obviously didn't read the journal, if you did then maybe your comment would actually be taken seriously and would possibly be relevant, but seeing as you didn't, you have no right to assume nor bring her down.
hmmm not trying to be a raging fan here, but can you kindly read the WHOLE journal before posting a comment and looking like an asshole? wow. Seriously. Just cause it's internet doesn't make the things you say not real.
And also, realize that as long as you're posting all of this on a PUBLIC medium such as devinART, we are DOUBLY free to express our opinions about it. If you don't want that, or can't handle that, make it private.
I never said you were leaving, I said you should leave if you can't handle this community. You're free to vent all you want, but just realize that we're free to not care about your venting all we want.
"If you're going to leave devianART, then leave." -- First part of your comment. You assumed I was fit to leave this place when in reality I was merely venting feelings. Someone can be angry about something and not throw a shit fit and leave in a huff you know. It's not 'this community' that I'm mad about. You'd know that if you'd read the journal. It part of the community, and even then it's not that big a deal. Another thing you'd of known had you actually read the journal at all.
Again, as I commented previously -- If you don't care then why bother commenting or even paying attention? Most people ignore things they don't really care about and move on. Your commenting contradicts what you're implying. Also, I realize people are free not to care. Did I ever say anyone had to? No, in fact I stated multiple times already-- "Let me just repost this in case it wasn't clear: You do not by any means have to read anything I write. There's no obligatory contract that says that as a watcher of mine you have to read it. I label things now so you don't have to read it if you don't want to. I understand people don't like reading negative things."
Because some people are stupid and she wants to clear up the stupidity and obvious misunderstandings. She doesn't care what you think really, she is just making them aware of what she actually said, not what was interpreted.
I just wanted to say thank you for putting this put there, and your Vent posts actually help me sometimes since I usually share similar if not the same opinions that you put on your journals. And since you might not be posting more art I just wanted to say thank you again for all the art that you have posted! It's helped to teach me so much more about anatomy and developing your own style~ I've really enjoyed your art and I hope you can find your muse again. Good luck with everything, from one artist to another~
I understand everything you are going through. I, myself, at many times have wanted to quit and move on because I thought people didn't care. People need to know that a person has the right to vent in whatever way they want. The sad thing is is that some people think 'Oh, for crying out loud, stop, you attention whore!' but it is never like that. There's a difference between people wanting attention and venting for your own needs. I can see that you are going through hard times and that this is not for attention.
I've always wanted someone to be by me. But when I'm in school, no one wants me in their study group. I'm left alone. When I'm on dA, no one wants to note me or take the time to talk. I'm left alone. When I'm with other friends, they act awkward around me, and I think it's because I'm different. I think it's because I have a disorder and I get very, well, upset over things... But I've found someone to cling to. iMintyGemini encourages me and I really want to lean on her and I hope she leans on me too. To get to the point, don't let the outside world bring you down. Find someone to talk to constantly. Find someone to cling to and go to for help. Encourage yourself, and let others encourage you. I'm all for your work and your inspirations. I know you probably won't want to talk because I'm one of the 'common folk', but here's my Skype if you ever want to talk.
I hope I have made some sense. I probably don't because I have a different way of thinking with my coughdisordercough and I'm not really that good with speaking encouraging speeches. You have every right to vent and people need to respect that. I'm so sorry you are going through what you are going through. Venting is not bitching.
I hope everything works out with you. I'm not doubting your judgement, but if you do decide to come back, don't be afraid of the ' I told you so 's and the ' I knew it 's. People who try to shove that down your face don't deserve to be here. They aren't your true friends. I really hope you come back to us someday. I will really miss you and your art.... I'll be praying for you, even if you don't believe in what I believe.
Honestly, your venting on here has never bothered me, it's your account and you should use it how you want to. I don't really understand why people are upset over it???? It's not like you're forcing them to read what you write, and they can choose not to see your journals in their inboxes. I say keep on doing whatever helps you feel better, because those people are probably going to be upset no matter what you do. And that's their fault, not yours! C:
This is one of those things that makes me both sigh and nearly tear up. It's beautiful, and agreeable. You have every reason and every possible right to vent your feelings whenever and (nearly) however you want. People do take things too literal, and that's a sad factor of life. I wish you the best of luck from here-on-out, and hope that you one day might come back to posting art after the selfish trolls and fools have realised what mistakes they have done. Maybe they might even think or try apologising, but that's honestly up to them. Once again, good luck, and hopefully we'll see more of your faboo pieces on here again.~
I don't really mind the whole situation, I just want you to be happy C: We've all been through lot's of stuff so I believe we can understand each other in a way -if we want to. Unfortunately, there are people who believe they can surpass all the rest of us and with their stupidity name everything "bitching" or whatever and start a drama. I can't agree more with you that venting is not bitching. 100% with you.
What I am going to say might sound completely stupid and I might regret writing this comment BUT before I comment on anything, I remember the phrase Thumber from Bambi told his mother "If you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all". Pfft people are just too bored to use their brains jeez. Stay strong Ninja <33
I'm a rather quiet watcher to literally everyone I watch on dA, but I do support all the artists I do watch, along with you. I'm sorry to hear that some people took your other journals the way they did, everyone needs to get their feelings and thoughts out of their head sometimes. It's a healthy thing. It's sad that some people took it the wrong way and etc, again, I am sorry. I'm sad I won't be seeing your art anymore, but I'm also really glad you won't be leaving dA. Atleast then you'll be able to see other people's art, which is always nice. Maybe eventually you'll want to draw again, maybe not, but either way; I hope you atleast get to be happy with whatever you choose Kato. I'm also glad that those types of people don't really get to you, obviously it may bother you but that's normal. Honestly, I say ignore them, they're not worth the time. Just know you actually do have a good amount of watchers that really do support you, even those that don't comment often or barely ever (Like me) Have a good life~
Kato, you are probably the smartest person I have seen on DeviantART but there is also the fact that it is not only DA where people are completely oblivious or that trolls are existent, but that happens everywhere on the Internet. There are too many people who can't face the fact that they aren't being forced to hang around or do something they regret after, and human nature makes us blame things other than ourselves just to pin the negatives on another's conscious so we can feel relief. It is nice to hear that you would like a break, and we all know how you feel in those arguments. Although I try not to bitch about everywhere, I seem to lull in my own despair sometimes without even realizing it until I try to read the conversation to remember what me and someone else were chatting about But it is good to know you have an outlet for any anger and venting always helps me, except for the fact that friends like to go through all my drawing journals and sketch books to see what the newest addition to my mind's eye has come about and it scares them sometimes XD But hey, I don't tell them to go snooping around in my brain's universe now do I?
You bring a damn good point. There are wonderful artists out there who I never read anything of, I just love their art and comments say they're great people or such. Other artists have...well not shitty or horrible art, there is no such thing, but maybe not up to my tastes, yet they are awesome people and my friends (as much as I hate to add sugar so I don't come off like a jerk all the time) tbh I dunno why people do it. I wish I could say people have nothing better to do or are too lazy to look for better stuff and be stabbed by the NO of wrong, but sadly...that's the case with some people.
but I'm glad that you cleared it up as you did. Shows a lot of maturity and patience, something I lack
as for Tumblr...I don't like cause the first time I tried it every tag had porn in it x.x; well not absolute lye very tag, but close enough for me to get annoyed good luck over there! ouo
I actually like how you do things. The fact that you are so confident with yourself to continue to post makes me glad I have you on my watch list. I like the fact that you record stuff. But not only that, you take the time to go back and read it, and remove it when it is no longer relevant. I never really thought of that being an option before I read this journal, haha. I've always been pretty closed about my feelings, so it's super refreshing to see you so plainly laying it out. If I could, would you be opposed to sending me your tumblr, in a note of course, if you don't want it public on here. like keeping up with you, since I really do hold you in high regards as far as people and artists are concerned.
I used to rant at my rabbit when she was alive when i needed to vent because she never yelled back.I just got a "done yet" look from her.always made me feel better...I also give her a piece of an apple branch after so she'd know I didn't mean it cause breaking branches also made me feel better...I am happy to be your rant rabbit.venting is just part of life the only difference is how we did it then and how we do it now.seriously people it isn't directed at you so why are you getting upset?